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norquist pledge. why do we have to be held to a pledge some would say? >> some. why give up something if a negotiation until you get something back? they are not getting anything back. >>gregg: the concession was a mistake? >> obviously. >> what we are missing from the republicans, that would be a positive message of what they are for. if as they did with paul ryan, they say we want to take medicare, social security, medicaid, and they do the same thing now with mcconnell and they need a game changer. >> as i said, on the debt crisis --. >> no, it is about spending cuts and the president is proposing not cuts but more spending. >> here is the point. if the republicans said, wait, we are going to start right here on this constitutional question, make the democrats in the senate and house of representatives vote, do you think mary landrieu would vote to give him total power? the republicans do not have a clue how to handle this. >> that would be smart, to call a vote right now on the president's ability
norquist pledge. why do we have to be held to a pledge some would say? >> some. why give up something if a negotiation until you get something back? they are not getting anything back. >>gregg: the concession was a mistake? >> obviously. >> what we are missing from the republicans, that would be a positive message of what they are for. if as they did with paul ryan, they say we want to take medicare, social security, medicaid, and they do the same thing now with...
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republican representative tom cole of oklahoma and the man behind the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. they'll both be "outfront." the new film called "zero dark 30" sparking controversy. it's based on that raid that killed osama bin laden and some charge the obama administration gave the film's producer certain access. barbara starr will be with us about that. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. >>> we begin with breaking news. new signs tonight the syrian government could be preparing to do the unthinkable, unleash chemical weapons on its own people. the united states has new intelligence suggesting syrian forces now mixing the ingredients used to make deadly serin gas. a serious civil war has progressed. the obama administration has repeatedly warned even just moving chemical weapons would be a red line that could draw a swift response. just hours ago, president obama directly addressing the assad regime about this latest intelligence. >> today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and
republican representative tom cole of oklahoma and the man behind the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. they'll both be "outfront." the new film called "zero dark 30" sparking controversy. it's based on that raid that killed osama bin laden and some charge the obama administration gave the film's producer certain access. barbara starr will be with us about that. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. >>> we begin with breaking news. new signs tonight...
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joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal when it was the simpson-bowles proposal, when it was the budget control act, because of the debt ceiling. it's the same collection of people with the same sort of statements. so i don't see any movement towards republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of these people have had impure thoughts. no one has pulled the trigger and voted for a tax increase. >> i know
joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going...
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>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i support my speaker. in this case, the democrats and president are trying to use the tax issue. instead, they ought to be coming to the table with real spending cuts, entitlement reform and compromised proposals. so far, they haven't done it. >> tom cole, thank you for joining us. >> wolf, thank you. >> joining us, republican senator rand paul of kentucky. senator thanks for coming in. let's get to the so-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that
>> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one thing to you that is different than i would say to my own constituents in oklahoma. this is what i tell them. congressman what should we ought to do. i'm one voice. i'm not king of the universe. i support my conference. trying to do the right thing, i...
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waning. >> i don't view this as some -- as the end of grover norquist. i don't think he suddenly zpe z disappears, never to be seen of again, but i think his aura of invincibility has been largely shattered. >> former republican presidential contender jon huntsman was the only candidate in the primaries who wouldn't bind himself to norquist's anti-tax pledge. i met with huntsman earlier today. he had some advice for his fellow republicans. >> there are dozens and dozens of special interest movements in washington. all of whom have their pledges, all of whom try to get their pound of flesh when people are running for office and i think we're learn something very important lessons, the political class in america as we go in america as we go through this, it becomes impossible to do the work of the people, which desperately needs to be done economically and every other way to prepare for competitiveness when you're hamstrung and tied down by all the plenls. >> >> get rid of the mortgage interest tax deduction that millions of home owners depend on. 40 milli
waning. >> i don't view this as some -- as the end of grover norquist. i don't think he suddenly zpe z disappears, never to be seen of again, but i think his aura of invincibility has been largely shattered. >> former republican presidential contender jon huntsman was the only candidate in the primaries who wouldn't bind himself to norquist's anti-tax pledge. i met with huntsman earlier today. he had some advice for his fellow republicans. >> there are dozens and dozens of...
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norquist's tax pledge. he's also retiring at the end of this term. gentlemen, good to have both of you with us. mr. welch, i'll begin with you. i'm sure you've noticed, hopefully you've been watching cnbc and see all these pins that we are wearing that say "rise above" calling for you and your colleagues there to get something done on the fiscal cliff. why are you so unwilling to be able to do that? >> well, i am willing to do it. in fact, i work with steve, who you're going to hear from shortly, to advocate for a balanced deal. the real challenge here is practical. do we want to have a bad deal that beats the january 1 deadline, or are we willing to hold out for a more balanced deal, even if that requires us to go into january? >> does that include entitlements? does that mean reforming entitlemen entitlements, particularly medicare? >> absolutely. we have to have health care costs come under control. we can reform them. those of us who are strong supporters of medicare have to be advocates for system refo
norquist's tax pledge. he's also retiring at the end of this term. gentlemen, good to have both of you with us. mr. welch, i'll begin with you. i'm sure you've noticed, hopefully you've been watching cnbc and see all these pins that we are wearing that say "rise above" calling for you and your colleagues there to get something done on the fiscal cliff. why are you so unwilling to be able to do that? >> well, i am willing to do it. in fact, i work with steve, who you're going to...
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grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling must be raised before the end of february to avoid default. he said republicans should use that as leverage, congresswoman, in the fiscal cliff deal. the debt ceiling that obama plans lump into every month or so for the next four years provides plenty of leverage for the gop to trade for spending cuts, as done in 2011, or continuing the lower rates. are you willing to do that, use the debt ceiling in this as leverage? >> well, what i'm willing to do, is to talk about, and a very serious conversation, which i don't believe we're really having here on the hill right now, and that is we have a spending-driven problem. you can't keep on spending a trillion dollars more than what you bring in every year. and until we look at both sides of this issue, and a balanced approach on this where we're looking at what is driving the debt, and making sure that we're balancing our budget, it's both revenue, and spending. and we've got to
grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling must be raised before the end of february to avoid default. he said republicans should use that as leverage, congresswoman, in the fiscal cliff deal. the debt ceiling that obama plans lump into every month or so for the next four years provides plenty of leverage for the gop to trade for spending cuts, as done in 2011, or continuing the lower...
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. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent. that plenl, i honor that. it's a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. >> all right. you say your constituents don't want you to raise taxes on the rich. let me show you what an abc/washington post poll shows. 60% would support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 per year. you wouldn't do that? >> i understand that their perception. i have constituents that take that position as well. i'm sent to congress to represent 700,000 people in my northwest georgia district. they send me because they trust my judgment. they think i have the facts that maybe in many cases they don't. we know
. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent....
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everyone's talked about this pledge, right, to not raise taxes championed by grover norquist. he has become a household name this this country. you though are one of six house republicans plus seven in the senate who didn't sign the pledge. what made you, when you were given that opportunity and so many of your fellow elected officials signed it, what made you say no? >> it's not because i think we should raise taxes. it's because i believe my obligation to the constitution and to my district, they want an informed congressman trying to find a solution and if you fumble every option before you get to goerpuation, you're not trying to work to the other side. i do know the president has said he'll veto any legislation that doesn't find additional revenue, so we've got to find a solution. going off the cliff is not an option. so i just think a lot of these pledges and all these things that ultimately it restricts our ability to work together and find solutions that will save the country. you can't foresee every situation. so i didn't think signing the pledge made sense and yet i
everyone's talked about this pledge, right, to not raise taxes championed by grover norquist. he has become a household name this this country. you though are one of six house republicans plus seven in the senate who didn't sign the pledge. what made you, when you were given that opportunity and so many of your fellow elected officials signed it, what made you say no? >> it's not because i think we should raise taxes. it's because i believe my obligation to the constitution and to my...
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don't worry about the grover norquist politics. and don't worry about the barack obama politics. just do what you honestly believe in. the house ought to pass what it can. the house can function. it can sends lots of stuff to the senate and begin to build up a wave of energy at the senate that says are the democrats in the senate going to be owe obstructionist none of these good ideas, none of these reforms, efforts to save money, are going to get there. after a couple weeks that begins to build pressure on the senate. what's right now is, the republicans are surrounded by the news media and the democrats who are creating an artificial standard, and basically saying, if you don't sell out on taxes, you're bad people. well, i don't think they should accept that standard asset by liberals who are proving, as u just pointed out in the president's thing tonight, they want to spend more money. they're not about to do anything that helps with the deficit. they want higher taxes to spend even more money to put even more power in washington, d.c. to have an even bigger bureaucracy. >> gr
don't worry about the grover norquist politics. and don't worry about the barack obama politics. just do what you honestly believe in. the house ought to pass what it can. the house can function. it can sends lots of stuff to the senate and begin to build up a wave of energy at the senate that says are the democrats in the senate going to be owe obstructionist none of these good ideas, none of these reforms, efforts to save money, are going to get there. after a couple weeks that begins to...
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. >> sean: what about grover norquist? >> it's not about government per se. pandora lobbied government to have to bill. pandora wants to lower the royalties they have to pay to the artist. the artist have a dispute with pandora. >> sean: wait a minute. that's government intervention that government it up -- >> it's asking government to intervene. ays forget the other side, how the private sector goes out to the government all the time? >> they're uncomfortable with government coming in and leveling the playing field. or are they comfortable with pandora -- >> sean: go ahead. >> were they comfortable with the idea of government leveling the playing field before? >> is that a concept that -- >> you're confusing the issue. >> they're okay with pai paying their fair share. not all of them. some of the artists involved are actually republicans. but they've all said they're okay with paying higher taxes to help this country out. what they're not okay with is pandora lobbying -- >> sean: this isn't about pandora. there's a big point you're missing here. they're team
. >> sean: what about grover norquist? >> it's not about government per se. pandora lobbied government to have to bill. pandora wants to lower the royalties they have to pay to the artist. the artist have a dispute with pandora. >> sean: wait a minute. that's government intervention that government it up -- >> it's asking government to intervene. ays forget the other side, how the private sector goes out to the government all the time? >> they're uncomfortable with...
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every time we see a guy question grover norquist's power, they call up and apologize. what is it about going back to the alter every time if they don't matter, that particular man has to be apologized to. >> i don't think -- >> why did saxby do it? >> i think -- >> he's worried about -- >> i think what saxby is trying to do, the hard work he's trying to do, and grover knows, and everyone knows these taxes are automatically going up. some point in time -- >> it's december 3rd. ready? he got to get this done by december 31st under ideal circumstances. what is grover's role going to be the next three weeks? >> i think he's going to continue to be the guy against taxes. he's not going to change at all. >> if we don't have any taxes on the deal, there won't be a deal. the democrats -- >> there is no deal. the white house people have told me again and again that the president doesn't want to go over the cliff. he'd rather cut a deal -- >> let's talk about the taxes. >> but he's willing to on the tax deal. >> to get the taxes up on the rich. >> let me say -- >> finish this po
every time we see a guy question grover norquist's power, they call up and apologize. what is it about going back to the alter every time if they don't matter, that particular man has to be apologized to. >> i don't think -- >> why did saxby do it? >> i think -- >> he's worried about -- >> i think what saxby is trying to do, the hard work he's trying to do, and grover knows, and everyone knows these taxes are automatically going up. some point in time -- >>...
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it's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis:los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets
it's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the...
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lou: i told grover norquist, he must like tom cole lot because all he would say in response was interesting tactic. thanks for being with us. in the "moneyline" tonight, a stalemate in washington d.c. wall street's back today. the balance squeaking out of four. gain. s&p up less than a point, nasdaq slipping lower on the day. volume on the big board slightly heavier than usual. all the major indexes finished higher for the month. down 71 points. s&p and nasdaq both ended high. the three biggest winners for the month, cisco systems up to nine 1/4%. home depot, bank of america, both of just above 6%. aaa now urging the environmentl protection agency to halt the sales of gas with directional concentrations arguing the fuel blend known as e 15 with an additional 5% ehanol cause engine damage but that is not covered by most car warranties. the epa says cars made after the 2000's one mall can handle that fuel brand. triple late shows 95 percent of cars made before 2012 will not up next, president obama meeting with everyone about the fiscal cliff, everyone except for the leaders in washington d.c
lou: i told grover norquist, he must like tom cole lot because all he would say in response was interesting tactic. thanks for being with us. in the "moneyline" tonight, a stalemate in washington d.c. wall street's back today. the balance squeaking out of four. gain. s&p up less than a point, nasdaq slipping lower on the day. volume on the big board slightly heavier than usual. all the major indexes finished higher for the month. down 71 points. s&p and nasdaq both ended high....
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my next guest sound grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge concerning. congressman nunes, it is great to have you with us. >> this little visit i timothy geithner to speaker boehner, in which he bsically says we are going to talk about stimulus -- that is pretty hard step to push or to stomachh isn't? >> yes, timothy geithner has been coming here for four years. he has come before the ways and means committee, before the budget committee. this guy has never told us the truth and we challenged them for years. the numbers don't add up, and that is the problem. he came here today and it was a waste of time. we shove the president meeting with the senate. it is kind of a joke and it is sad because it is a serious issue for the american people. lou: let me ask you. speaker boehner expressing frustration. it doesn't look to me that this president wants a negotiation, beuse he is not saying so, as he pointed out. secondly come he doesn't want a negotiation because he's rlly making demands. he is not negotiating. so is this a declaration of going over the cliff?
my next guest sound grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge concerning. congressman nunes, it is great to have you with us. >> this little visit i timothy geithner to speaker boehner, in which he bsically says we are going to talk about stimulus -- that is pretty hard step to push or to stomachh isn't? >> yes, timothy geithner has been coming here for four years. he has come before the ways and means committee, before the budget committee. this guy has never told us the truth and we...
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this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted? >> absolutely. yeah. it would be good. it's funny what an election will do. a lot of republicans are seeing the handwriting on the wall instead of the
this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario...
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i spent a ton of time this weekend hanging with old college chum, grover norquist. he's as certain as ever that republicans who have impure thoughts about violating his no new tax pledge will be targeted at the primary level by tea party members. i'm taking this masterful behind-the-scenes player at his word that he controls almost all the republicans. because almost all of them signed his oath. so a deal could be tough. plus i'm now calling for no vacation without legislation. no vacation without legislation. because the holidays are slated to begin in a couple of weeks. which doesn't give enough time to get the job done. so you have one side that ins t insisting on tax increases, and then you have the other side which has pledged no tax increases which assure those deal can occur. after all, even if the president offered heavy-duty spending cuts like he did during the debt ceiling fight, the republicans can't compromise because of their blood oath in norquist. they aren't allowed to and the president's bottom line seems to have hardened. doesn't it seem to you lik
i spent a ton of time this weekend hanging with old college chum, grover norquist. he's as certain as ever that republicans who have impure thoughts about violating his no new tax pledge will be targeted at the primary level by tea party members. i'm taking this masterful behind-the-scenes player at his word that he controls almost all the republicans. because almost all of them signed his oath. so a deal could be tough. plus i'm now calling for no vacation without legislation. no vacation...
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norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company, but darn it all, hey, see you later, sport, i'm taking a vacation. i'm out of here! not only do i advocate no vacation without legislation, i want to know, a new one for you. a litmus test. i want to know which of these bitter politicians have tickets in their pockets to fly out of washington next week. i'm not kidding. i think we should ask each politician we interview, have you purchased tickets to leave without getting your job done. what's the date on that ticket? i'm
norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever...
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grover norquist also made some headlines this week for something he said on "meet the press." both of you, listen to this. >> that somebody is actually celebrating their faith and passing that onto me. i would respond happy hanukkah to you as well. >> okay. one second. that was not the individual that i introduced. but here is grover norquist on "meet the press." >> tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so, ana marie, as sequels go, they don't often live up to the original. what do you think? >> i'm glad you came to me first so i can say tea party two electric boog aloo before jonathan does. the tends for sequ -- rules for sequels tend to be they have to be more violent. i'm not sure there really is a tea party two, and if anything i think it's a weaker tea party moving into this congress. i'm not sure what grover thinks. >> jonathan, what do you think? a tea party two? can anyone beat joe walsh of illinois, allen an west of florida? >> i don't think there's going to be a tea party two. do you remember "alien." it was good. "aliens"
grover norquist also made some headlines this week for something he said on "meet the press." both of you, listen to this. >> that somebody is actually celebrating their faith and passing that onto me. i would respond happy hanukkah to you as well. >> okay. one second. that was not the individual that i introduced. but here is grover norquist on "meet the press." >> tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so,...
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marco rubio, paul ryan, michele bachmann, john thune and others have sworn allegiance to grover norquist by signing on to the federal taxpayer protection pledge. all thee three of the rising stars are women that doesn't mean they support women's reproductive choices. several would deny the women the right guaranteed to them by roe v. wade. even as the new herd presents your fresh faces, it's array of gender and versatility that we in nerdland will take each of you at face value. but will then move on quickly to ask what are your new ideas? at the table, matt welch is editor in chief of reason. editor in reason of chief magazine and the co-author of declaration of independence. conservative writer tara wall was a senior media adviser for. an associate professor of science at columbia university. a fellow at the roosevelt institute and manuel reyes. thanks for having you here. it's nice to have you. >>> tara, welcome to nerdland. >> how did i know you were coming to me first. >> now i would like you to explain your party. >> lay it all on the table. >> in a certain way, it's so early, i fe
marco rubio, paul ryan, michele bachmann, john thune and others have sworn allegiance to grover norquist by signing on to the federal taxpayer protection pledge. all thee three of the rising stars are women that doesn't mean they support women's reproductive choices. several would deny the women the right guaranteed to them by roe v. wade. even as the new herd presents your fresh faces, it's array of gender and versatility that we in nerdland will take each of you at face value. but will then...
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. >> bob, you, yesterday, shadowed grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in front of the house conference and he said, i'm not going to back any deal that increases rates. so they feel pretty confident on rates. that's where i think "the new york times" comes from. on rates they think boehner is still with house conservatives. at the same time, there's a lot of raised eyebrows right now because just as boehner is promising not to buckle on rates, he's purging four conservatives from committee. >> i was going to ask you about that. now, newt, and bob livingston tried that with mark newman back in '95. that didn't work out well for him. we said we're going to vote agai
. >> bob, you, yesterday, shadowed grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in...
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. >> you mentioned grover norquist. he's making a new prediction, by the way. let's listen. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those regulations you're now hearing about, okay, those all hit after the election. we've got four bad years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party 2 is going to dwarf tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so basically, jon, what grover norquist is saying there to members of the tea party set who have been elected, who were elected, is, you know, we're going to take everybody who is against us into a primary on your right. >> right. >> on the republican side. >> right. >> so the threat has been issued already, even before we begin negotiating what the package will be. >> oh, yeah. >> this is like political terrorism. >> well, it's certainly a clear bargaining position. i remember three
. >> you mentioned grover norquist. he's making a new prediction, by the way. let's listen. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those regulations you're now hearing about, okay, those all hit after the election. we've got four bad years of regulation taxes. he wants to add...
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norquist, et cetera. >> let's get to grover norquist in a minute, but i do have a question. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in savings over a decade. that includes raging the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lowering cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue. but without raising taxes on the wealthy. in a letter to the president, leading republicans compared their plan to one erskine bowles drew up last year. >> not even close. >> he rejected that connection and the white house, of course, is hitting the road. we'll get to that in a moment. but here's my question. i've been watching the coverage of this and reading it. and there's a lot of liberals who were like, he won, ha, ha, they're so arrogant about it, it's hard to like them. because it's just not attractive. but he did -- >> yeah, he won. >> and he is going to the american people with this. and why can't the starting point of these negotiations be about the tax rates and go from there. why are we at sq
norquist, et cetera. >> let's get to grover norquist in a minute, but i do have a question. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in savings over a decade. that includes raging the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lowering cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue. but without raising taxes on the wealthy. in a letter to the president, leading republicans compared their plan to...
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the math has changed so we'll ask grover norquist what is his survival strategy? he runs a $30 million operation and doesn't want to see that vanish. >> a lot of democrats emboldened saying we'll shield entitlements altogether. thanks so much, mike. >> on thursday night, house republicans are going to go see "lincoln" together, the number three house republican kevin mccarthy has rented a theater saying we need to make a deal. >> mike allen, thanks so much. >> what's so interesting, it wasn't really just eric that came on the show and said nothing yet we picked up a tone that something was different. same thing yesterday with dick durbin who came on the show because eric said, okay, we'll do deals on taxes, but you brought up capital gains tax, no. carried interest, no. raising the actual marginal rates, no, we don't want to do that yet when he left we got calls from democrats saying does he really want to make a deal? >> i got two yesterday that -- >> i got e-mails from democrats going wow, he sounds like he wants to make a deal. one senator said did he really me
the math has changed so we'll ask grover norquist what is his survival strategy? he runs a $30 million operation and doesn't want to see that vanish. >> a lot of democrats emboldened saying we'll shield entitlements altogether. thanks so much, mike. >> on thursday night, house republicans are going to go see "lincoln" together, the number three house republican kevin mccarthy has rented a theater saying we need to make a deal. >> mike allen, thanks so much. >>...
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but look at grover norquist's rhetoric in the last 24 hours. look at what tom cole said. look at how every day another republican comes out and says well, maybe we could stomach a slight tax rate increase if. those are all the building blocks that it takes to gradually get to a place where republicans can do something that they hate doing. they don't want to raise taxes. but what the president would say is, i don't care what you want. you don't have a choice. the bush tax cuts go away at the end of the year. i will let them all go away if that's what it takes to get the rate on top earners to go up. boehner knows that. he has a huge incentive to get something out of this deal. and the president has a huge incentive to get a deal because the last thing he wants is an economic funk to start his second term. that would be a bummer for him and a bummer for his policies. >> and if i was advising republicans, i would say you want to get re-elected? you want to be here on your party? look at chris christie. start to move over to the other side of the aisle. >> michael steele, i
but look at grover norquist's rhetoric in the last 24 hours. look at what tom cole said. look at how every day another republican comes out and says well, maybe we could stomach a slight tax rate increase if. those are all the building blocks that it takes to gradually get to a place where republicans can do something that they hate doing. they don't want to raise taxes. but what the president would say is, i don't care what you want. you don't have a choice. the bush tax cuts go away at the...
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>> you might have thought that having known the storm clouds over grover norquist and hearing the uprising and all the fury over that that obama was going to have to give them some sort of fig leaf, some sort of concession, say well, yes, we had broken a promise, it was a really difficult decision for a lot of us, but we got "x." you know, the geithner offer of yesterday didn't have any "x." and what's fascinating about this, obama seems totally, totally convinced that if we go over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category. but does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the
>> you might have thought that having known the storm clouds over grover norquist and hearing the uprising and all the fury over that that obama was going to have to give them some sort of fig leaf, some sort of concession, say well, yes, we had broken a promise, it was a really difficult decision for a lot of us, but we got "x." you know, the geithner offer of yesterday didn't have any "x." and what's fascinating about this, obama seems totally, totally convinced that...
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norquist, but all the polls say two-thirds of americans are quite happy for the wealthier to pay more taxes in america. i think they should just get on with it and suck it up. >> well, it was a relatively close election but the president did win and he has to own this. we also know that the "washington post" said this, and if you just close the loopholes and deductions on the folks instead of just raising their tax rates outright, you can come up with close to that $800 billion that they did agree on last year. you get to about 750. to come in with a $1.6 trillion as your starting point, i can't believe it's serious. i don't blame the leadership, mcconnell apparently burst -- senator mcconnell burst out laughing. i don't blame him because it's absolutely ridiculous to come back from last year with twice the amount. it's not a serious offer and i think it's in bad form for the president to go out on this campaign stop. he needs to sit down and work with republicans. we understand that the president won and the house is still in republican hands. both sides need to understand that. but
norquist, but all the polls say two-thirds of americans are quite happy for the wealthier to pay more taxes in america. i think they should just get on with it and suck it up. >> well, it was a relatively close election but the president did win and he has to own this. we also know that the "washington post" said this, and if you just close the loopholes and deductions on the folks instead of just raising their tax rates outright, you can come up with close to that $800 billion...
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grover norquist -- >> but it's true. you can hear it a thousand more times. >> it may be true to republican party, but the reality is in the cnn/orc poll just taken -- >> i understand. >> hang on. hang on. would you prefer a budget plan with only spending cuts, 29%, would you prefer a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, 67%. a thumping, thumping majority of americans would prefer to see cuts in spending and tax increases. but you republicans led by grover norquist are absolutely intransigent about allowing any raise in taxation, yet the american public want you to do it. >> listen, first of all, there's a lot of things you said that aren't true. >> well, name one. >> nobody is -- first of all, no one is opposed to increasing revenues by closing some loopholes, but they -- >> that wasn't what i said. hang on. that wasn't -- that was not what i said. that wasn't what i said. >> they want commensurate tax cuts -- >> hang on. you said what i said wasn't true. reince, come on. i have to stop you here. no. you can't put wo
grover norquist -- >> but it's true. you can hear it a thousand more times. >> it may be true to republican party, but the reality is in the cnn/orc poll just taken -- >> i understand. >> hang on. hang on. would you prefer a budget plan with only spending cuts, 29%, would you prefer a mix of spending cuts and tax increases, 67%. a thumping, thumping majority of americans would prefer to see cuts in spending and tax increases. but you republicans led by grover norquist...
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i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i don't think they're silly. they control hiring in this country. many americans play for dinner. i don't think grover norquist cares about who is paying to dinner. he has a pledge. it's important to him and important to the people who agreed to it. i worry about dinner for people. i worry about rising above and dinner for people. he won't surprise it. ceos do. he has his principles. i went to college with him. he's a very nice man. very nice. >> you have a history. we should keep that in mind. >> sweet guy. likes the cliff. wants to jump over. favors recession. that's how i read that. recession isn't bad thing if you're a short seller. if you can go short, you can get your way. it could be big. >> it could be. >> it could be huge. you never know. >> at least for some period of time. >> yeah. >> there is a big analysis on the cover of "times" about talks as they stand right now. they say the president has been burned, scarred is the word they used by the prev
i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i don't think they're silly. they control hiring in this country. many americans play for dinner. i don't think grover norquist cares about who is paying to dinner. he has a pledge. it's important to him and important to the people who agreed to it. i worry about dinner for people. i worry about rising above and dinner for people. he won't surprise it. ceos do. he has his principles. i...
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>> if republicans are so wedded to this tax pledge to the special interest grover norquist and his organization that if they can't find a way to come up with a bipartisan solution, they have to let the devil do it for them, i guess that's possibly the way we do it. if that helps preserve or protect the middle class, then so be it. but one way or the other republicans have to realize that an election was had, that the wealthiest in this country have to contribute a little bit more. and if they continue to try to protect millionaires and billionaires while they're willing to cut the cost of living increase for seniors on medicare and social security, it's a nonstarter. >> so then under this plan we have to go over the fiscal cliff, even if, right we have to. that's the only way we could get to -- >> can't do it any other way. >> and erskine bowls has said this is kabuki theater. i guess as a voter you all are in the business, a reporter but as a voter you get very frustrated. so this is kabuki theater. this is a whole machination so then at the end you can get to a deadline so we can fall off the
>> if republicans are so wedded to this tax pledge to the special interest grover norquist and his organization that if they can't find a way to come up with a bipartisan solution, they have to let the devil do it for them, i guess that's possibly the way we do it. if that helps preserve or protect the middle class, then so be it. but one way or the other republicans have to realize that an election was had, that the wealthiest in this country have to contribute a little bit more. and if...
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norquist. so you'd effectively be raising the tax rates for the top 2% but you technically literally would not exactly be raising those tax rates which would i guess in his mind keep you under that pledge. i guess my question for you would, be did you sign that pledge as governor and would you think this loophole would be enough to get around the signing of the pledge? >> i first ran for governor in 2002. i signed a bunch of pledges including the tax pledge. when i ran for re-election i said i'm not signing any pledges. i'm going to do what's right. i'm not going to get into the game or sign or not sign pledges. look, from president obama's perspective and the democrats perspective, part of the exercise is to get more revenues from the wealthy, there's lots of different ways to do that. it doesn't necessarily need to be rates although it could be. but there's lots of ways to do that. at least they're in the ball park with each other on the revenue side. the thing that i think should be more tro
norquist. so you'd effectively be raising the tax rates for the top 2% but you technically literally would not exactly be raising those tax rates which would i guess in his mind keep you under that pledge. i guess my question for you would, be did you sign that pledge as governor and would you think this loophole would be enough to get around the signing of the pledge? >> i first ran for governor in 2002. i signed a bunch of pledges including the tax pledge. when i ran for re-election i...
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive thap most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >> it's going to sell that fiscal cliff. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going o
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive thap most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>...
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norquist tax pledge, this has been a long time coming. republicans are ready to bolt on saxby in 2008 and just throw their hands up in the runoff. >> but he's a very conservative senator. >> he's one of the guys between the democrats getting 60. >> he's a very conservative senator. >> saxby chambliss is conservative on social issues but a pro-life status. he's very pro-life but for big spending in washington the whole time he's been there. >> so, paul, this anti-tax business, it sounds like the times are beginning to turn on it. >> well, i think so. first off, erick, if you want to run, brother i was telling you this off the air. i worked for zell miller. i like your state. >> christie likes you, paul. >> on this tax question, look, voters are really set. it's about seven out of ten depending on how you ask it who want to see tax rates go up for upper income americans. nobody wants to soak the rich. but the 39.5% or so top rate that president obama wants to return to which we paid under clinton is very, very popular. republicans should ou
norquist tax pledge, this has been a long time coming. republicans are ready to bolt on saxby in 2008 and just throw their hands up in the runoff. >> but he's a very conservative senator. >> he's one of the guys between the democrats getting 60. >> he's a very conservative senator. >> saxby chambliss is conservative on social issues but a pro-life status. he's very pro-life but for big spending in washington the whole time he's been there. >> so, paul, this...
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i would agree with grover norquist on this. the proposal is a nonstarter with republicans and probably most people who have looked at it. we have to get closer to this. they are both very far apart and holding their ground. that's no way to settle it. >> so all this rang lg about the fiscal cliff isn't the goal. with the president asking for $50 billion in stimulus spending, do you worry they might be losing sight of that? >> the best thing for the country is to go over the fiscal cliff. it maximizing the deficit reduction. there's no deal cut between republicans and democrats. it's not going to reduce the amount of money coming out of the deficit by a lot. so if you do that, you go back to the clinton tax rates, cut some defense and we have a short, mild recession for two quarters. we have to get serious about the deficit e. i have no belief that the congress is going to get serious about the deficit. so tom cole was right because he wants to get the republicans back in the mainstream. but the best thing the country could do i
i would agree with grover norquist on this. the proposal is a nonstarter with republicans and probably most people who have looked at it. we have to get closer to this. they are both very far apart and holding their ground. that's no way to settle it. >> so all this rang lg about the fiscal cliff isn't the goal. with the president asking for $50 billion in stimulus spending, do you worry they might be losing sight of that? >> the best thing for the country is to go over the fiscal...
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as grover said himself, the pledge is to the american people, not to grover norquist. so it's not just, you know, republicans need grover norquist's approval for what they want to do. it's more that americans for tax reform wants to keep tax rates low despite the fact that legislation says they're just going to go up no matter if congress doesn't do anything. >> all right. so compromise is going to require more than finding republicans who are willing to break with the norquist anti-tax pledge. the gop wants to know what the democrats are going to be willing to give up in the form of spending cuts. >> despite the claims that president supports a balanced approach that democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> jessica, the president ran and won on a promise to raise taxes. i mean what a different scenario. a year ago you and i were talking about how this he lction was going to be about jobs. both campaigns made exactly the same promise about job creation. so that almost got off the table. it all became about taxes. he doesn't have to run for office
as grover said himself, the pledge is to the american people, not to grover norquist. so it's not just, you know, republicans need grover norquist's approval for what they want to do. it's more that americans for tax reform wants to keep tax rates low despite the fact that legislation says they're just going to go up no matter if congress doesn't do anything. >> all right. so compromise is going to require more than finding republicans who are willing to break with the norquist anti-tax...